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interview with daniel
 

Note: the following interview took place in Miami Beach, FL in November 2003. Two hyphens (--) indicate a question from the interviewer to Daniel. This transcript was edited only slightly to better fit the written format.

-- Who are you?

DH: Wow. Such a good question to start with. Why not start with one of the most difficult questions. To answer that, let me start with some groundwork. Understand that we live in two worlds. At least two. One world is the commonly agreed upon one in our society. The one where we go to work and have relationships and eat and have bodies. In Buddhism this is called Maya. It’s illusion in the sense that the other world is more real. More real in that it is unchangeable. You see, what is real is what does not change. Everything in the material world changes. In the other world, the unchangeable world, bodies, food, work and problems are unimportant. They don’t exist, actually. We, two legged creatures called humans live in both these worlds. That’s our job. And if we do it well, we’re aware of both. We succeed in both.

So who am I is the question. When most people ask that they’re asking for a material world answer. So I’ll start with the other. I don’t know who I am. There is no I. There is no Daniel. There is one energy and I am a part of that, an extension of that. And everything is part of that energy. This table, this glass, the ocean over there, that woman with the roller blades.

Mostly people are unaware of that world and so they stay in the material world. It’s so limiting. I once heard Stephen Levine describe dying as being like taking off a shoe that was too small. There’s so much pain in the world because people are walking around with huge spirits crammed into little bodies. The ironic thing is that we could simply wake up to know they are so much bigger, that they are everything actually, and the pain would go away.

Now, all that said, who am I? In this body, in this life, in this role, in this moment, I am a man named Daniel. Who has also used the name Shekhar. Funny, after talking about how big we really are, it feels silly to go back into the little definitions that we’re normally so accustomed to.

-- A little of that would be helpful so people can relate to the personal you.

DH: Yes, of course. I am an ordinary man who goes through life facing the challenges and delights of being human. What we do is how we commonly define who we are. Especially in the United States. At the moment I work with people in a variety of ways. Counseling is one of my favorite ways. I find it so gratifying to sit with someone. I never know what will happen and my goal is to help free them from anything that might be inhibiting their natural state of happiness.

I’m a poet and writer. I love music. Really anything creative. Community is important to me. And friendships. That’s one of life’s greatest blessings.

What else do I do? I guess it’s all aimed at understanding ourselves. Yoga, astrology, counseling, meditation. I love these things because they bring me (and the people I work with) more into my real self.

How’s that?

-- Great. In fact you got into another question I was going to ask about your work. Is there anything you want to add to that?

DH: The work I do is as much an evolving process as who I am is always in motion and changing. That’s what keeps work (and life) exciting. My first job was delivering newspapers when I was 10 years old. Since then I must have had more than fifty different jobs. So when I talk about my work now, it’s a challenge to define it. The work I did yesterday already may not be relevant to “my work” today. For some time now the work has been about freedom – freedom from what blocks our potential. Some of the forms and techniques have changed and evolved. The target remains the same and the bow and arrow changes. Perhaps it’s a new bow altogether or perhaps I learn a new way of using the same bow. And it’s co-creative; it depends on what each person (or group) brings to the meeting. One of the reasons I love astrology is that it is deep enough to encompass the evolution that unfolds in me.

-- Why do you practice astrology? What’s the value of it?

DH: I use astrology because it works. Few people agree on how it works and the evidence is clear that it does work.

The primary value is that it helps us to understand ourselves better. You could say this whole earth game called life is about realizing who we are. The ironic thing is that realizing who we are is really about realizing who we’re not. My focus with astrology is on the soul journey. Looking at where we’ve been, what lessons we’ve been learning and what our soul chose to learn in this lifetime. When we understand our karmic challenges, it’s easier to move through them. And when we move through personality challenges, it opens us up to be who we are, which is so far beyond personality.

I’ve studied many self-understanding tools: the enneagram, tarot, the Myers-Briggs personality sorter. They’re all wonderful and what I love about astrology is that it’s deep enough to account for the complexity that we are.

And we can continually use it to see what’s happening. Not to predict the future, rather to understand the energies at play, to preview the weather. Everyone knows that timing is everything. The word disaster means to go against the stars. The word consider means with the stars. Astrology can help us strategize when to launch a business, when to go on a meditation retreat, when to buy or not to buy a new home. This part of astrology is practical.

Ultimately I practice astrology because it’s been helpful to me and to the people I work with.

-- What is Happyyogi Yoga?

DH: Happyyogi Yoga is how I understand yoga. It’s a blend of everything that I’ve learned through my studies and my practice. It’s different every time. What I share in a yoga class depends on who’s there and what’s appropriate. There are several elements, which I feel are important:

    1. Including the other components of yoga besides asana is essential to me. Yoga has become physical exercise or calisthenics to most people. And really it’s so much more. It’s a science of how to be happy. In Yogic terminology it’s Samadhi. I bring whatever I can, especially from the scriptural roots of yoga, into a relevant and contemporary context, to help people experience Yoga, which is happiness, bliss, and ecstasy.

    2. I like to begin classes with chanting. It brings us into the vibration of Yoga. It sets the mood.

    3. Vinyasa is important. Linking breath to motion creates awareness. Breath is the key element in the yoga practice.

    4. Meditation. It’s why we do the physical practice; it’s the point of the asanas. To do all those postures without meditating is like making a beautiful cake and then not eating it.

    5. Humor is a big part of happyyogi yoga. The insidious disease called seriousness can easily creep into a yoga class. On the path to happiness, there should be some happiness. Something I’m playing with in my own practise these days is how to be focused without getting serious. Laughter is such a high vibration. It drops our tension and instantly brings us to the present moment.

    6. Experiencing some challenge is an incredible opportunity in yoga. A student once told me that they thought my class would be too easy because of the name happyyogi yoga. When we’re challenged we can react or think negative thoughts, or we can focus on the breath. We can assert our equanimity by breathing steadily. Then when we are challenged off the mat, we’re that much more likely to maintain our center. The value of yoga is in how it helps our life. Who cares if we can put our foot behind our head or sit in lotus?
I love yoga. I love the changes it’s fostered in me. I’m honored to share it.

-- Do you have a teacher?

DH: I’ve had many teachers. My path has been eclectic. Many people surrender to one teacher and it works beautifully for them. My way has been to learn from many different beings. That word teacher… and the word learn….. Those words don’t really work. They imply that someone is teaching, that someone knows and someone doesn’t. The people that have had the most impact on me don’t teach anything. It’s by being with them, by them being who they are, that something happens inside me.

Lately I’ve been around Paul Lowe. He’s amazing. Just by being around him I am lifted. I can feel that my connection with him is influencing my work in ways that are still mysterious to me.

Eckhart Tolle – his presence as well as his books and recorded audio works – has been liberating for me. Regardless of what he says, who he is emanates so strongly that I become more present by being with him. Along those lines, Byron Katie’s influence has been wonderful for me. She’s so grounded and practical. And very clear.

I’ve had many great yoga teachers. The most important for me so far has been David Life and Sharon Gannon of Jivamukti Yoga. I so admire their commitment and the quality and depth of their teaching.

David Wolfe has taught me a lot about how to eat. It’s a funny thing, the “teachers” who have been most important in my life teach the simplest things: How to eat, how to stand up straight, how to breathe and how to be present and honest. The simple is so profound. Anyway, I traveled with David for about two years. His life is raw food nutrition. Moreover his work is how to live an amazing life and what he’s discovered (and I have too) is that what we eat makes a difference in our quality of life. Of course, there are some people that vibrate on such a high frequency what they eat is irrelevant. For most of us, though, it has an impact.

Goodness, there are so many people that have helped me evolve. Judith Kravitz and Transformational Breathing. Veeresh at Humaniversity. I could go on and that’s enough for now. On my website I list these people and more as well as how to contact them.

-- How did you become interested in enlightenment?

DH: This may sound picky, and enlightenment isn’t a word that I use much. I know what you mean and I appreciate the question. I choose other words because enlightenment has been used so much it’s meaning is diluted. For many it implies a state where we are complete and our feet never touch the ground. I don’t see a state like that. Consciousness is ever evolving. There are always other levels of awakening. And I see this state, awakened or liberated, as being very grounded. As Jesus said, able to be in the world and not of it. The new age movement seems to produce many people that feel (and maybe seem) enlightened, and yet they are not able to pay bills or maintain their connections with people. I see freedom as thriving in every part of our life – earthly as well as spiritual.

To answer your question of how I got interested in this stuff, whatever we call it, the first thing that comes to mind is that I became vegetarian. Well, before that, when I was a kid, a young kid, I always had a sense that there was more possible than what I saw around me. My mother was an incredible woman, a tireless worker and a fighter. I learned lots from her. And I saw this drive for survival in her and I thought, ‘it’s not enough.’ I heard a song lyric recently by Ani DiFranco. “I’ve got better things to do than survive.” I love that. I also had some out of body experiences as a child that stayed with me.

I became vegetarian during my first year of college. I was doing research on animal rights and kept finding articles about vegetarianism. It made sense intellectually and I didn’t change my diet until one day I went into Fuddruckers (a hamburger restaurant) and saw a cow hanging from the ceiling. A plastic cow. On one side it was a cow’s outside, black and white spots. On the other it was a cross section with different cuts of meat labeled. I never ate meat again.

Years later I learned about the yogic concept of ahimsa, non-harming. I saw then that deciding not to eat other beings was an awakening of compassion in me.

-- I read that you had a spiritual awakening in 1995 that changed your life. What happened?

(pause)

DH: I don’t talk about it much and it seems like such a big event for me that I never know what to say about it.

I lost interest in the physical world. For a period of a week or a little more my connection to my ‘normal’ life, my work life, my ego, became tenuous. Some would describe it as a kundalini awakening. Some would describe it as a breakdown. Wiser would be to describe it as a breakthrough. It was my first real breakthrough where I saw the limitations of my world, the world I defined by societal and parental imprinting.

Sometimes I think of it like God reached down and yanked me upright by the hair and said, “look, see, there’s so much more than you think.” Lots happened in that short time. I had many experiences of leaving my body, of mind reading or telepathic communication, synchronicities that went way beyond any possibility of coincidence. I encountered the American mental health system in a variety of ways.

I got clear that there is a presence that goes beyond myself in the world, that I am part of something much bigger. In many ways the experience shook me up, and still I ended up with a clear feeling of peace. Almost invincibility in that I knew no lasting harm could come to me. And even though my world was turned upside down and I didn’t know what to do, I felt an ease and confidence that I simply needed to take a step and the next step would be shown to me.

Shortly after that I moved to Omega Institute where I turned into a sponge and took in everything I could. I lived there on and off for six years. I learned and changed so much there.

-- Why did you leave there?

DH: I was excited to do other things. I guess I outgrew it. Specifically I left there to go to Humaniversity in Holland. That definitely took growth to another level. I love going back to Omega to visit. Incredible things happen there.

-- What happens in your life now? Where are you headed?

DH: My life changes a lot day to day. Being present really means not knowing. Every time I think I know something, it’s a red flag for me. Somehow I’m not being true.

Still, I imagine certain things about the future. Even make plans. And within that there’s always the possibility that things won’t go that way.

This winter I’m going to Australia to live in a small community and train with Paul Lowe. Maybe I’m just going to learn to surf, I don’t know. Part of the excitement of going – I’ve never been there – is the discovery.

I love working with people and so I imagine that will continue. Astrology and yoga as well.

A friend said to me today, “are you ever going to settle down, to be in one place for more than a minute?”

I wonder. I thought that was happening recently. I bought a house, was in the process of opening a center. And then things changed. That’s how it is in life, if we’re present to the flow of life – things change. I have a guess, however, that in some time I’ll be more based in a community. Where that will be, I don’t know. In one year or ten years, I don’t know. I bet I’ll still travel a lot. I love it and it’s a good way to reach different people.

-- Is there anything you want to add?

DH: What comes to mind is something I remember from studying philosophy in college. I believe it was Plato who said it. “The unexamined life is not worth living.” That’s harsher than I mean it. All life is beautiful. Everything is an expression of existence. And yet, so many of us live below our potential. So much life and happiness is possible. And it takes a willingness, a desire, to create that. It takes belief that it’s possible. I love a quotation attributed to Goethe. The last part says: “whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, magic and power in it. Begin it now!” So much more is possible even than what we dream. It takes boldness and courage to thrive, to be happy, to fill our lives with love. And it’s so worth it. Dare to live an extraordinary life.

"The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes." -William James